A brief summary of comments by the committee participants, as heard at the meeting. Committee membership included 5 Utah Senators, 6 Reps, 5 from law enforcement, 4 business orgs :
Gov Herbert Immigration Committee 20 Jul 2010
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Introduction by Gov. Herbert (Gov.'s Introductory Statement)
90 sec. each by committee participant, Palmer DePaulis, moderator
Pamela Atkinson, Community advocate we need civility, not hatred - help one another
Lane Beattie, SLCC - 6100 statewide business Federal issue, support border security need comp reform, we are not border state.
Curt Bramble, Senator NCSL talked of bipartisan immigration reform proposal by Sen. Shumer and Graham - Likes AG plan
Ken Bullock, ULCT the problem needs to be defined
Chris Burbank, SLC Police Narrow position local enforcement, reform needed Don't expand police enforcement weakens support community, it's a civil issue, not criminal.
Dave Clark, Representative Need statesmen like solution, Fed Failure, states acting 333 laws last year, rule of law
Peter Coroon, SLCo Mayor represents 1 million people, we enforce laws, jail full fed needs to act
David Armstrong, commissioner of Public Safety need safety for all people, frustrated with limited resources, many laws passed SB81 excellent example, but need $$$
Brad Dee, Representative we must look out for next generation, rhetoric shows system reform needed; my eyes were opened during the interim immigration committee meetings across the state.
John Dougall, Representative Legal Immigration must be addressed, fed derelict in border security, we shouldn't be questioning all the people, protect freedom of association
John Greiner, Ogden Police disagree that illegal immigration is only a civil violation, 2006 IACP white paper, local enforcement decision
Michael Waddoups, Senator Nation of immigrants, Oppressive govt created nation of laws. art 2 sec8,9 fed gov failed, states must act, not a race issue - need repent and return policy
Terry Keefe, Layton Police, UT police chiefs assn enforce laws, criminal misdemeanor
Carl Wimmer, Representative Constitution, fed failure (not even trying); states must act, state sovereignty; compassion seems restricted to those already here
Carlos Linares, Hispanic Council enforcement alone does not work, need reform, dignity of humans not solved by fence, no more enforcement- need study
David Litvack, Representative UT has comprehensive approach, even 'progressive,' local DREAM act, Driver Privilege card; concern in community, racial diverse, need open discourse
Pat Jones, Senator Has no answer, fed responsibility, must employ legally, interviews show hispanics are good worker; Spanish prayers are OK
Stan Rasmussen, Sutherland we're listening to clarify our stance, fed gov failure, need for workers in UT, unique challenge in Utah, fellow humans
Luz Robles, Senator Fed failure, no $$ to enforce, accountability by employers, need to integrate
Ross Romero, Senator Thanks for 1300 list action, Obama troops on border, Negative debate by anti hispanics, no t them vs. us
Dee Rowland, Catholic Diocese need civility, bros and sis, we don't ask status, living in shadows, democracy
Steve Sandstorm, Representative Working on AZ style law, wish we didn't have to; laws give freedom, Illegal immigration threatens laws, I'm listening
Mark Shurleff, AG History of joining of railroad golden spike by Chinese and Irish (not legal at time); comprehensive plan proposal
Kirk Smith, Utah Sheriff Assn (Washington co) People are saying ;do something; no leaders at fed level in SS and immigration, immigration process in disarray; unfunded mandates
Tony Yapias, Proyecto Latino thanks for work on 1300 list, we can’t do the fed's job' we want a change, not amnesty, just jobs and fairness for all.
Doug Wright, KSL humbled, never seen an issue like this in 42 years of broadcasting, Email saying remove illegals NOW; amazing ideas today
Sean Reyes, Attorney fed gov failed; local issue not about citizenship and naturalization; need to get out of shadow, pay taxes; legality does not mean citizenship
Randy Parker, Farm Bureau need workers, fed failure, Guest worker H2 bureaucratic, lost 300 lambs due to delay with workers
Dave Layton, Construction need legal workers, hispanics good high value employees.
Part 2 Discussion Economics, border, enforcement, et al "Let's talk about Guest workers"
Parker 1960's Bracero worked, we need seasonal workers (1)
Beattie Previous proposal (SCR1) they are here, not leaving; need to legalize (2) without amnesty - citizenship later (3)
?? Can we have guest worker without amnesty?
Robles Amnesty not up to the state ; they are living here, (4)
Waddoups, Who are these unemployed 7%, do we really need more workers? (5)
Wimmer Robles is right, we can't give amnesty, must leave the country first, others who would love jobs, 7.5% unemployment welfare ck vs work
Romero need more farm employees, do we need immigrants, not amnesty most who came here were legal and overstayed visa (6), they are participating
Atkinson Guest workers OK, but 3 million people have applied for visa, some waiting 20 years family - amnesty a disservice to those
Shurtleff I'll have to defend whatever law is passed, Utah needs control of workers, we need study of Nuevo Leon, they have good program
Dougall agree with Wimmer on amnesty, but immigration not an exclusive fed right (7)
Sandstorm Guest worker intriguing, if guest went home, Utah program would entice illegals
Clark Crisis, push back on fed on immigration
Rowland Guest workers not going to happen (soon?) must pressure fed for immigration reform (8)
Yapias, We need Shumer/Graham amnesty I don’t want more people either
Rasmussen Tenth amendment, states rights, we need permit for those already here. Leave and return will not work - economic loss
Wright Perception on amnesty si we need a pound of flesh Utah unemployment was effectively 0% a while ago, we are talking about real people here, I don’t understand the need to return
Bell Can you adopt a Guest workers program without Amnesty? Or without Federal approval?
Bramble Four planks of Shumer; Graham = Border/ biometrics/ guest worker/ deal with illegals; prior resolution ignored, 50 state policies not viable
Robles we’ve talked with fed, this will push them to action
Part 3 Discussion legality of AZ. law suspect reasonable suspicion or probable cause
Yapias Fear that no one will understand, but police. Brother stopped in nice car for taillight, fear of racial profiling
Coroon local govt enforcement no practical, jails full
Greiner I’m offended by racism accusation, we already enforce federal law eg Bank robbery is Federal crime
Wimmer ensure sufficient funding for enforcement; police know probable cause and reasonable suspicion
Burbank using traffic laws for other purpose improper. How do police ‘suspect’ illegality if not by race. (9)
Litvack Perception of amnesty incorrect, creating a permanent victim class, can’t deport , won’t support, police rely on illegals to report crime Due Process
Smith Police already can find reason to stop; ICE will do nothing, only react to felonies
Dees ICE handles Fed law, 287 (g) will help
Shurtleff AZ. law untenable, if states take responsibility, then Feds won’t do it (10)
Keefe no unfunded mandate, proper training needed, we can teach proper standards
Rasmussen Police will be diverted from the normal duties
Romero What if Feds issue injunction against AZ law
Sandstrom Appreciate input, will consider in formulating bill
Burbank We already arrest more than ICE can handle, releasing 900/mth from jail early
Robles Courts are overloaded
Wright We talk of federal holding facility, is that the best use of money?
Beattie We like to do something, but can’t; create Guest worker program, tax them to pay for services
Keefe Many illegals are NOT from Mexico, AG proposing to work with one statein mexico
Clark Challenge is not unique, we have the ability to address problem early (11) Thanks to policel Dream Big
Yapias Illegals only trying for better life
Shurtleff suggesting ony a pilot study with one state
Atkinson Feds should not be suing AZ, waste of time
comments:
(1) birthright citizenship, education costs
(2) why? what about those who could NOT come? what of pay, benefits, costs
(3) Are these, and other proposals aiding abetting and encouraging
(4) How can they legally work???
(5) would unemployed rather work or get paid for doing nothing?
(6) Tourist or work visa? how are they legally working?
(7) Can we have 50 different policies? Fed suing AZ over that issue
(8) audience applause - estimated 5 to 1 pro illegal
(9) With a large majority of illegals of a certain race, naturally more will be subject to questioning
(10) True already, feds doing little
(11) With 100,000 PLUS, we are not early
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